Thomas Young Payne "Pap" Tureman
Abt 1843 - 1891 (48 years)
1848 - 1902 (54 years)-
Name Thomas Young Payne "Pap" Tureman [1] 
BirthAbt 1843 Maysville, Mason Co., Kentucky 
Gender Male Military Service Here is his record from Booth: "Tureman, T. T. P., 1st Lt. Co. G, 3rd Regt. 3rd Brig. 1st Div. La. Mil. On Roll not dated, ordered into the service of the State of Louisiana." (I assume "T." to be a typo for "Y."). "T.Z.P. Tureman" appears as a private in Greenleaf's Company, Louisiana Cavalry (Orleans Light Horse). Obituary Several columns on the front page of the Cincinnati Enquirer are devoted to the accident that drowned Tureman and several others. A barge collided with their launch and drowned the five riding in it. The other people who died in the accident were Edith Zins, her brother John Zins who worked at the tobacco firm with Tureman, John's girlfriend Katie Cox, and Katie Riddle. These are the sections on Tureman:
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Cincinnati Enquirer, vol. 49, no. 172, Sunday morning, June 28, 1891, p1.
"Pap" Thomas Tureman
A.H. Reeder, J.B. Looker, and John McClory, a stenographer at the tobacco house [Banner Leaf Tobacco Work], also identified the body, which was taken in charge by Mayor Wright and search on the spot. A gold watch and change, $35 in money, and some very valuable papers belonging to the firm for which Tureman worked were discovered. There was a plain gold band on the deat man's hand, probably a token of his unfortunateventure on the sea of matrimony many years before. He was attrired in a dark business suit that was much the words for its thirty-six hours stay in the river. The effects found on the body were put away by Mayor Wright and Undertake Habig. . . .
AT HIS OLD HOME
Thomas Tureman will Lie—His Unhappy Marriage
"Pap" Tureman, as he was generally known by all of the employees of the tobacco firm by whom they were employed, will be embalmed and taken at 6:30 this evening to Maysville, Ky, via the C. and O.
Tureman was born in Maysville, and until the time of his death he referred to it as his home. His Aunt, Mrs. Amanda Tureman, a lady of seventy-six, has been the same as a mother to him, whose own parents, a mother and a step-father, reside in New Orleans. Tureman also leaves a wife and two children, aged respectively eleven and fourteen, in New Orleans.
Ten years ago an unhappy difference separated Tureman and his wife forever. There was never any divorce between them, and Tureman never referred to the cause of the separation except to very intimate friends. He was a good business man, and had many warm friends among them. H.C. Currin now has charge of the body. He was 48 years old.
He carried a $5,000 policy in Travelers' Accident Insurance Company, and this, it is supposed, will go to his children. While in this city he resided on Lawrence street and boarded at 94 East Fourth street. His remains will be buried in Maysville Monday morning.
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A few days later this obituary was published in Maysville, in the Evening Bulletin, 29 June 1891, vol. 10, p4:
THOMAS TUREMAN
His Body Recovered, and His Funeral Took Place Here This Morning
The remains of Thomas Tureman, who was accidentally drowned at Cincinnati last Thursday night, were recovered Saturday. In his pockets were found his gold watch, $65 in money and some valuable papers belonging to the Banner Leaf Tobacco Company, in which he was interested.
The body was embalmed and was brought here on the F.F.V. last evening for interment. The funeral took place this morning at 10 o'clock at the Church of the Nativity, Rev. D.D. Chapin and Rev. W.J.E. Cox officiating. The remains were laid to rest in the Maysville cemetery.
Mrs. Annabelle Pearce, Miss Henrietta Tureman, Miss Amanda Tureman, and Mr. Hal C. Curran, of Cincinnati, were present at the funeral.Residence 1866 190 Terpsichore St., New Orleans, Louisiana [2] Residence 1887 Newport St., Cincinnati, Ohio [2] - no number given in the addres
Residence 1888 291 York St., Covington, Kenton Co., Kentucky [2] Residence 1891 94 E. 4th St., Cincinnati, Hamilton Co., Ohio - address at death, according to the death record.
Death 25 Jun 1891 Riverside, Cincinnati, Hamilton Co., Ohio [3] Burial29 Jun 1891 Maysville Cemetery, Maysville, Mason Co., Kentucky Notes - TYP Tureman was from Maysville, Kentucky. Within the first decade or so of his life his family traveled down the Ohio and Missisippi to live in New Orleans. He served in the Civil War in the Louisiana militia.
In the early 1880s, however, a rift occured between him and his wife in New Orleans and he returned to live in Maysville. He died of an accidental drowning in the Ohio river in 1891.
I have spent far too much time on Kentucky Turemans trying to discover his family, and I'm happy to share what I've found if anyone is interested, but have found no clear evidence of whom his parents might be. I suspect he is the son of Edwin Tureman and Rebecca Brown, who were married in Mason Co., Kentucky in 1835. Their son Edwin Tureman (Jr.) died in New Orleans, aged 14, in 1851. The 1850 census would be a help here to track this family, but neither Edwin nor TYP seem to appear on it anywhere.
A few bits of evidence come from obituaries of TYP that might help:
—The Evening Bulletin (see his obituary) says that "Mr. Tureman was born in 1843 in Maysville, Ky. Soon after his parents moved to New Orleans, La., where he lived for many years."
—The front-page article in the Cincinnati Enquirer about Thomas' drowning says that "His aunt, Mrs. Amanda Tureman, a lady of 76, has been the same a a mother to 'Pap.' whose own parents, a mother and a step-father, reside in New Orleans." Amanda is Amanda Shumate Tureman (abt. 1817-1893), married to Henry C. Tureman, who lived in Maysville and then Cincinnati where she raised a family of 9 children. If "aunt" is literal, this would mean that one of her husband's male siblings is TYP's father, but I have found no evidence for any sibling of Henry's. Henry C. Tureman was was born abt. 1805 in Mason Co., Kentucky.
—The obit. would also mean that TYP's mother was still living in 1891. I've not been able to find evidence of who she is, or whom she might have married.
Streets accidentally gives his last name as "Truman," I suspect because she was deep into Chester Co., PA Quakers, where the name Truman appears frequently in his wife Margaret's direct ancestry.
The Findagrave page for TYP Tureman says that Zachariah and Matilda Dodson, from Sumter co., Alabama, are his parents, but this doesn't make sense to me. Here are my problems and questions:
1) the 1850 Sumter Co. census for Zachariah and Matilda names a son Thomas who was 21—born in 1829—more than just a couple of years earlier than any other recorded birth year for TYP in the early or mid-1840s.
2) His name—"Thomas Young Payne"—matches the name of a man who married Elizabeth Tureman in 1827 in Mason Co. Since Elizabeth was married to a man in Kentucky, would it not make sense that this name came from there?
3) the 1869 wedding notice in the Times-Picayune asks Maysville and Cincinnati papers to copy (11 July 1869, p4)—not any papers in Alabama.
4) Thomas went “home” to Kentucky, not Alabama, where Amanda Tureman is named as his aunt, after his separation in the 1880s.
5) One of TYP's obituaries says that his mother and stepfather were living in New Orleans, but Matilda Dodson had died in 1852.
6) If Matilda were TYP’s mother, he would have been abt. 10 when she died. Let’s say he was taken in by Amanda in Kentucky at her death—is there any support for this?
A Theory : Edwin William, Amanda’s husband Thomas C., and Elizabeth A. Tureman (who m. Thomas Young Payne) were all siblings. Joseph F. Tureman from Carlisle might be another sibling. Then, Edwin was the father of Thomas Young Payne Tureman who m. Margaret Anna Cooper. Zachariah Tureman Sr. from Alabama may have been another sibling, but I still don’t see how he is TYP’s father. [4]
Person ID I2704 Last Modified 15 Mar 2025
Spouse / Partner Margaret Anna Cooper
b. 16 Jun 1848, New Orleans, Louisiana
d. 2 Dec 1902, New Orleans, Louisiana (Age 54 years)
Marriage 11 Jul 1869 [5] Children2 daughters Family ID F3013 Group Sheet | Family Chart Last Modified 24 Apr 2025
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Birth - Abt 1843 - Maysville, Mason Co., Kentucky 
Residence - 1888 - 291 York St., Covington, Kenton Co., Kentucky 
Residence - 1891 - 94 E. 4th St., Cincinnati, Hamilton Co., Ohio 
Death - 25 Jun 1891 - Riverside, Cincinnati, Hamilton Co., Ohio 
Burial - 29 Jun 1891 - Maysville Cemetery, Maysville, Mason Co., Kentucky = Link to Google Earth Pin Legend 
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The Civil War - Louisiana, Mississippi, and South Carolina This page includes family members on this site from Louisiana and relations from Mississippi and South Carolina who fought in the war, virtually all for the Confederacy.
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Reference Pitard, D. "Thomas Young Payne "Pap" Tureman". Genealogy at Pitard.net. https://ancestors.pitard.net/getperson.php?personID=I2704&tree=1sttree (accessed April 27, 2025).
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